At some point I read a comment on a blog (which I can’t find now, but I’ll be happy to attribute it properly if somebody can point me in the right direction) describing the dilemma of the modern male. Women insist that they want nice guys who respect them but instead go for assholes who don’t. He compared this to the male aversion for obesity, explaining that it would confuse the hell out of women if we shoved ice cream and chocolate down their throats only to dump them for getting fat.
Indeed it would. However, the analogy breaks down in that men aren’t particularly attracted to a woman’s propensity to stand up to them, whereas the male ability to contradict a woman’s expressed desires is central to her attraction for him.
Hence, my lack of disdain for the shit-test. Women are women. That’s that.
However, the confusion expressed in the comment does carry weight. It’s not that shit-testing is necessarily evil, it’s just gotten way out of hand.
At Sunshine Mary’s blog, comments for a guest post by Deti partially evolved into a discussion on fitness testing (I still use the term “shit-test” because I’m a traditionalist). Mary herself began with a question about shit-testing without realizing it:
You know, can someone help me understand something? This is a serious question, I’m not kidding around: why do women always strive so hard for the opposite of what they want? It’s like we all do it, me included (pre-red pill).
Rollo’s comment about women wanting to be objectified…yes! That is what pretty much all women want, at least by our own husband or another alpha-type man anyway. Yet look at the harpies on Elizabeth Esther’s blog shrieking about wanting men not to objectify women. And the silly men buzzing around her blog seem to believe her! They’ve actually joined in the Don’t objectify women chorus.
But secretly, I can almost guarantee you, each one of those women is just dying for a man to tell her to bend over so he can have a really good look. But no man will because they all think they’re supposed to treat women like…I don’t know, men I suppose. And . So sad.
It is the Curse of Eve again. Women “always strive so hard for the opposite of what they want” because deep down they need a man to correct their behavior. Women truly need men in a way that men don’t need women. Without men women would be lost, forever scrambling for what they think they want but really don’t, doomed by their requirement that they be led by men in order to be content and happy.
And shortly thereafter, I expanded on the nature of the shit-test:
I think women strive for what they don’t want because they instinctually [sic] know that somebody else is supposed to make most of those decisions for them.
If she declares “I want a man who gives me chocolate ice cream” and a guy gives her chocolate ice cream, that proves only that he can follow orders from her. If she makes the same chocolate ice cream declaration and some guy gives her skittles instead, it shows that he can lead her.
Women are (sort of) aware of their own worst tendencies. Being dishonest with men, and themselves, is the only way to find the men who can overcome them.
But Mary touches on the nature of the problem:
So…women strive for the opposite of what they want via feminism because they are essentially fitness testing man. This is one hell of a fitness test, though, because now it is nearly illegal for you to even try to pass it.
Right, but the guys who DO pass it are 100% guaranteed certain to pass hypergamy standards. So it’s an effective fitness test. It overscreens, which is a problem, but it does limit the pool to strictly hypergamously hot guys.
Indeed it does.
We have always had shit-tests, and their notable failures include Adam and Samson. Women have always done this, and they always will.
But today’s shit-test is amplified three-fold. It’s no longer just between a man and his girlfriend; today, it’s one man against the Feminine Imperative. It definitely screens effectively for Alphas, but it may destroy our chances of developing Alphas + in the process.
First, there are the tangible ramifications that Mary describes. The same bold request that might get an Alpha laid could cost a beta his job. The inability to artfully handle the morning after a one-night stand could mean the difference between a “notch” and a costly rape accusation. Failing shit-tests has caused military demotions (I’ve seen it happen), ostracism from churches and communities, and heaps of money in alimony and child-support.
Second, men are no longer trained to handle them. We used to have fathers setting examples for their sons, clubs and organizations where men could go to share their knowledge of women with other men without women putting in their two cents, and coaches and older brothers who could teach boys the difference between a shit-test and a genuine request for help. I’ve never seen a world without feminism, but I suspect that often kids weren’t even necessarily taught these things, they just observed and emulated. No such luck today.
Third, and most importantly, the modern West equates the Grand Shit-Test (feminism) with morality itself. Silly rhymes about “what little girls” and “little boys are made of” have morphed into teaching styles and prescriptions for Ritalin. Misogyny is everywhere, and it’s considered to be almost as evil as racism. By nature men have brutalized and oppressed women for centuries, continue to do so today, and unless you man-up and fight current trends, you’re as much of a problem as any wife-beater. Disrespecting women is downright wrong, and the only way to be morally enlightened (and legally safe) is to take feminine sensibilities into account during each and every interaction with women.
So what should be just a shit-test becomes a test of moral fitness. If you want to be a moral man, you’re required to fail.
Therefore, should we be surprised that so many of today’s Alphas are barbarians? In order to pass shit-tests, not only do you have to counteract her express wishes, you have to oppose morality itself. Because shit-tests are tests of moral rectitude, the Alphas who pass them will often care nothing for either earthly or moral law.
And those who want to do the right thing will get nothing.
Men everywhere may want to tell Tracy to hold her own damn purse, but they don’t because they want to respect her. What should be a test for weakness has become a test for goodness.
If you want to succeed, you have to reject one of the most fundamental moral codes you’ve been taught. If you want to win, it’s best to care about nothing except getting laid.
And you will.
Like Mary said:
Talk about winning every battle but losing the war…
Sweetie, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.